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I was amazed to read the other day the CEO of the FFA being quoted that York Park was being considered as a venue for Australia's bid to host either the 2018 or 2022 World Cup. It seems it has been put forward to the FFA as Tasmania's preferred location. It is the biggest ground used in the AFL and the stands are set well back from the fence making it completely unsuitable for football viewing. It is located on a swamp making construction costs the highest possible in Tasmania. There is insufficient accommodation in Launceston to host the 80,000+ visiting spectators plus partner visitors that could bring up to 150,000 visitors to the state. The suggestion of it is preposterous, more than that it is an insult to the bid team, Tasmanian football supporters and the Tasmanian public in general because it has made Tasmania the laughing stock of the football world. As a Launcestonian I am embarrassed. What Tasmania needs is a world class venue if we are to be included as a World Cup host. As one of the 6 states we need to be included if Australia's bid is successful. Hobart is the only city in Tasmania that has a hope of getting the infrastructure that is necessary to host games. Lets dream for a while and see if we can list the benefits and disbenefits of constructing a suitable venue in Hobart (which will be great for TUFC). One point I will put forward is that I read an article in the paper this week that said Tasmania had 897,000 visitors in the last year and that these visitors spent $1.4B in Tasmania. By my calculations that means we could expect a spend of $233M from the 150,000 visitors if we were a World Cup host. Add comments |
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Foxhawkposted at 10:05PM on 18th Mar, 2009 The whole stadium issue comes up a lot in regard to both the world cup and the A-League bid. I hope the news this Friday (or afterwards) is that the overseas Dubai businessman is actually the owner and not just an investor. I also hope that part of our bid to the FFA is that we will initially play in current facilities with temporary changes, during which time 10k stadia are build in Hobart and Launceston with a joint funding from the owner (say 90%) and the Tasmanian government (Maybe 10% if lucky) with a commitment to expand the Hobart stadium over eight years to 40 k and the Launceston stadium in the 2015 - 2025 period to about 20k (with further expansion possible if required). No guarantee. He may only be a sponsor. Lets wait and see. If he offers to build then I am happy with current facilities for a period of time. I just hope he invests in the local football community in Tasmania. Tazztellposted at 3:40AM on 19th Mar, 2009 Let's hope that this Arab businessman "sheiks" his money towards Tasmania ! galacticaposted at 12:00PM on 23rd Mar, 2009 Part 1 Yes everyone, the Tas Govt ministerial backroom dealing of infrastructure and tourism ministers may well see us end up with egg on our faces unless they become more definite in supporting the arab sheik by assisting him in creating the Hobart stadium base for the Tasmania United FC. I am sure that when you deal with arabian leaders you do so in their capital unless they invite you to a country residence for an experience. But these persons who deal around the world in major cities do so in the seats of power and government because they put a lot of store in the respect of officialdom and ceremony. That is why we need the HCC to insist on the main stadium be created in Hobart where the international airport is, etc. galacticaposted at 12:02PM on 23rd Mar, 2009 Part 2 Anyway I am not knocking Launceston but it is time that O'Byrne and her buddies realised that these sort of arab shieks dont come along every day and he wont want a team playing out of a provincial stadium unsuited for specific world game football. Furthermore Lonnie has had its go with the AFL and they have sown that seed so let them wait until the AFL comes on board(if ever because even an arab shiek knows that $30-40million annually to operate an AFL side is not good value). It is now Hobart's turn with the A League for the many reasons as discussed in these forums and by the Tasmania United FC. The A League franchise will be about $7million to bankroll but the national and international exposure can reap rewards for Brand Tasmania,etc, etc.
Chuqposted at 10:43PM on 23rd Mar, 2009 While I agree that any new stadium should be in Hobart, I don't think it's because "Launceston has already had their turn with AFL" or "Hobart is the capital" (which is irrelevant". It should be in Hobart because Launceston already has a suitable venue. galacticaposted at 12:03PM on 23rd Mar, 2009 Part 3 High time really for the recalcitrant HCC and Mercury newspaper to get behind Hobart instead of being laggards who cannot even provide a voice for their area - not everybody goes to wine and food shows. For myself personally I will attend important club matches of our team from time to time at York Park as a supporter but I will not waste my time trying to watch world cup games squinting across the ground for an hour and half trying not to miss world class skills from too far away at highly priced tickets(a better view is available on television). The need is on for ground rationalisation down south and for North Hobart to become over time a fully rectangular stadium. The local Oz rules team should train at New Town and play home games at KGV and Hobart should train as they do at the old TCA ground and play their home games at the new Kingborough twin oval complex now underway. Chuqposted at 11:11PM on 23rd Mar, 2009 I'm surprised at Kingborough being suggested as the "main" AFL stadium in Hobart. Kingston isn't very central? Aren't there many other closer ones? In any case, this might sound selfish, but not really our problem. Of course this all assumes AFL Tas will "let go" of North Hobart Oval which I can't see happening. galacticaposted at 12:10PM on 23rd Mar, 2009 Part 4 Apparently this will be suitable for AFL pre-season and NAB Cup games; so the door is now opening for Bellerive to be mainly international cricket, Kingborough for AFL, North Hobart world football (and international rugby). Because no state government has directly supported a super stadium for Hobart we can eventually end up with grounds specifically suited to specific sports which is a better outcome for all. There is no reason to deny some fixtures in Launceston but the stadium is basically AFL suited and therefore games should reflect that fact. TC_CValeposted at 11:53PM on 23rd Mar, 2009 In reply to Galactica, you can't truely expect Nth Hobart FC or Hobart FC to give up the grounds that they have used for the past 100 years for our stadium. Renovate North Hobart to a standard that is suitable for A League and concentrate on finding a suitable location for a stadium. TUFC could look to approach Clarence or Glenorchy Councils for appropriate sites. Some that come to mind, Cambridge Park, Glenorchy Showgrounds site, or behind the Derwent Entertainment Centre, Domain Cross Rds, old tipsite at Lauderdale. These would be ideal sites and no bun fight with other Football codes. Walker Corp who are trying to devolope Ralph's Bay at Lauderdale could be approached as they have plans to develop the old tip site. benoncehobbledposted at 1:07AM on 24th Mar, 2009 I concur - Cambridge is the perfect site for a football stadium. - plenty of room for the stadium, parking, training and administration facilities, and close to the Tasman Highway, with very good connections to Hobart and the rest of the state. It is also very convenient to the airport and local accommodation options for visiting teams. It is the ideal venue so long as public transport to the ground is professionally organised. I'm sure Clarence CC would jump on board to support such a high-profile venture. Chuqposted at 1:53AM on 24th Mar, 2009 I wouldn't be too keen on Cambridge - too far out of the way for most people. You need a more central site. The best locations I can think of are the Showgrounds (which isn't that central, but not in the middle of nowhere) the Domain, or the railyards :) The New Zealand Knights played in a stadium way out of the city and we know how well that went, although there were several other factors at play there.
benoncehobbledposted at 4:31AM on 24th Mar, 2009 And the alternative locations are . . . benoncehobbledposted at 4:42AM on 24th Mar, 2009 . . . just not feasible. A greenfields site is best because it allows all training and administration facilities to be at the one location, offering a true home. Cambridge is ideal because it is no further than 30 mins away from any part of Hobart. There is ample space available for ground development and to expand infrastructure (roads etc.) to cope with matches. The railyards will never happen. The domain is impractical. I don't mind either the showgrounds or rugby park options, although the government is likely to baulk at both options because of the potential to seriously affect traffic on the Brooker Hwy on match days. There's also the problem of jumping through extra approval hoops you would not have with a greenfields site. People are far more likely to oppose a large development in their own backyard, like they would with Cornelian Bay or Glenorchy, than they are with an open expanse of unused land. Chuqposted at 11:22AM on 24th Mar, 2009 I agree Cambridge is a good location for new developments such as the ones that are showing up in that direction, and I agree that it will be a growth area for Hobart, but for a stadium ... it would be like Homebush Stadium in Sydney. Yes, compared to the city sprawl as a whole, it is fairly close to the middle, but it is still the middle of nowhere. The place is dead unless there is an event on. Chuqposted at 1:54AM on 24th Mar, 2009 Rugby Park (at Cornelian Bay) as well. TC_CValeposted at 2:54AM on 24th Mar, 2009 Would love to see it built on the domain, but parking for a stadium holding in excess of 25,000 is just not available. The railway yards would be awesome, but that is premium real estate and I think the people of Hobart would not look favourably on a stadium being built there. Cambridge or Lauderdale are far enough out of town for that not to be a problem and they have the best potential and could easily handle the traffic and parking requirements with the space as mentioned available for training and administration. One thing we don't want is a community backlash opposed to the stadium, because with all the planning approvals that it will have to meet, any objections could drag the approval process out for too long. They would also meet the requirements as a "Green Field" site which would be the way to go, sound levels would not be a problem especially if it is to be used for concerts etc. ntguyposted at 3:15AM on 24th Mar, 2009 Railyards is the go... stupid location for a hospital... 28,000 seater with 12,000 temporary seats to make it an Asian Cup 2015 and World Cup 2022 venue... can be built in stages... suitable for football of all levels... great location for big outdoor concerts and city parties... connects with the city... connects with the domain... still leaves space for hotel development... provides space for a second cultural precinct... and the list goes on. LETS KNOCK ON THE DOORS UNTIL THE POLITICIANS DO IT!
Imagine watching TUFC v Victory on New Years Eve and then walking along to the celebrations. tassihatterposted at 4:53AM on 24th Mar, 2009 If D.B. still premier once stadium is built, irrespective of location, cycle paths would lead to it so parking ain't a problem. Seriously tho' its got to be a bit out of the city, because of parking, noise, land value and easy access, especially for fans travelling from the north. Thinking right out of the square what about equi distant tween Lonnie and Hobart. D.B.'s already allocated 2 mil. to Oatlands why not 20 more for a stadium, it would lift a depressed region, provide employment and bring real football culture to an area much in need of it ! ntguyposted at 5:30AM on 24th Mar, 2009 My design fits nearly 800 cars under the stadium. It includes the terminal station for a light rail system utilising the existing railway land and has a bus terminal as well. Chuqposted at 11:28AM on 24th Mar, 2009 Sounds interesting! Are you an architect/structural engineer/urban planner? Sounds like you would be right at home on another forum I (Infrequently) visit - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=65 ntguyposted at 12:08PM on 24th Mar, 2009 My career was in operations management in the water engineering field but I retired and am studying architecture at UTas for fun. Chuqposted at 11:19AM on 24th Mar, 2009 You would catch the electric tram on the old rail line which leads right to the railyards! Or the ferry shuttle service that the government should introduce.. but these are for another forum :) ntguyposted at 12:13PM on 24th Mar, 2009 Electric would be the green solution... If I could fit it on the site I would try designing a multipurpose stadium for football and AFL but the extra 30m length and width makes it very difficult... Oh dear, how unfortunate. I will just have to go with a rectangular stadium. LOL Foxhawkposted at 7:10AM on 24th Mar, 2009 There has been a lot of discussion regarding stadia on this site, from temporary starting stadiums and long term options for rectangular stadiums. I have even offered a few suggestions of my own for the cheaper 'dug out' stadiums of the type used by a lot of American football sides. Lets just hope the deal with the businessman from Dubail works out. If so then we may yet see the day where Tasmania United FC plays in both a 30 - 40k stadium in Hobart and a smaller 10 - 20k stadium in Launceston. I personally hope the possible new owner gets right into football in this state and gets behind the establishment of an academy and increased focus on the sport in schools and the media. Foxhawkposted at 7:10AM on 24th Mar, 2009 Lets hope that by 2022 (when I think we will get the world cup) we have a state-wide semi-professional league with at least one match televised on the weekend locally acting as a feeder to both a professional academy in Hobart and the club itself. AFL abandoned Tasmania for Western Sydney where AFL is universally disliked. Here is hoping that by 2030 Tasmania is the first state in Australia dominated by the world game. galacticaposted at 3:59AM on 26th Mar, 2009 Part 1 I reiterate my previous comments. Given the Tas Govt need to utilise a somewhat overly large York Park by pushing tourism backing through its turnstiles I will state now that the likelihood of getting a greenfields stadium is closer to zero than redeveloping NHO. Unless we count the sheik into the equation. I remind all that NHobt and Hobt Aussie rules footy clubs have not been on their grounds for 100years and have had very little input into the existing infrastructures. There will not be a new stadium or hospital on the waterfront or the domain because of various constrictions and bylaw agreements which only leaves either Glenorchy area or NHO as "central" locations and suitable to travellers from up north. Glenorchy and Hobart councils will need to reconcile their funding together and rationalise expenses and that is where grounds per club usage comes in. As I stated before if we want to develop we will have to utilise what exists for a number of decades yet. Same as in Melbourne and they have 4million Hobart has qtr million people. galacticaposted at 4:01AM on 26th Mar, 2009
Part 2 NHO is an almost perfectly suitable venue now except for "bucket" seating. Some other improvements can be made later. It is political machinations that is behind the FFA statement about York Park for a world cup match because the ground only satisfies a very few of the number of FIFA demands regarding such any way. NHO offers the best interim future for the game in our state regarding A League participation and it is probable that with rationalisation NHO can satisfy FIFA demands for world cup match suitability by 2018/2022. Everyone please remember in this matter on our coming of age with the world game, we are only now just standing upright, we haven't even done the walk yet and though it is nice to talk about it - lets save our running for later, because I don't want us to fall flat on our face. We have all seen the difficulties with the Tassie AFL push and they have a bigger support structure and background profile here than the world game, yet it will be years before they can sustain anything apart from their dreams. ntguyposted at 5:14AM on 26th Mar, 2009 For NHO to satisfy the FIFA "Stadiums Recommendations and Requirements 2007" document everything there would have to be demolished and started again. If you want the link for it so you can check it out I will dig it out and post it on this thread.
I am interested in the By Laws and agreements you mention to do with the Railyards site. Where can I find out details about them? I am working on a stadium design for this site as a uni project. TC_CValeposted at 5:24AM on 26th Mar, 2009 Just to clarify a couple of points for "Galactica", North Hobart FC have used NHO since 1923 and Hobart FC have used the TCA ground since 1944, not 100 years, but still a very long time. TUFC should use NHO in the short term, with some upgrades to allow it to handle 15000 people comfortable. A stadium if built to meet the requirements for Asian & World Cup games, has to allow patrons to arrive and park pretty close and when leaving disperse the traffic easily. Imagine the traffic jams trying to acsses the Brooker or catching a bus if Nth Hobart had over 15000 patrons. Cambridge Park is no more than 20 minutes away from any suburb in Greater Hobart. If you lived at Bridgewater or Kingston maybe 30 mins but you have a 4 lane highway all the way to Cambridge & back home, so would not be to bad. Supporters travelling from the North could bypass Hobart altogether and use the road from Midlands Hwy through Richmond to acsses the venue. The old Cambridge oval has been remodelled to a Football (our code) oval & would be ideal as a training venue. Cambridge ticks all to boxes, more importantly work could begin very quickly after approval. ntguyposted at 7:21AM on 26th Mar, 2009 I wouldn't want to use the road through Richmond coming to and from Lonnie. I would much rather a site closer to the city and near the main drag out of the place. Two venues come to mind that have the size to be developed eventually into a World Cup venue. These are the Rail Yards and the old Showground. Both have good road access and the availability of public transport and both can be linked in to the suggested Light Rail development. This is the link to the FIFA stadiums pdf. galacticaposted at 12:00PM on 26th Mar, 2009 Part 1 Yes I am aware of the number of years that NHobt and Hobt have been around so I will point out a couple of matters that are common knowledge to many. The old TCA ground has been developed as a heritage ground for cricket and Oz rules. There are a myriad of restrictions on further development encroaching upon the Queens Domain, as that was ceded by the crown to the Hobart City Council to be maintained for the citizens use. This precludes private ownerships of land and buildings thereon and further stadia will not be embraced by the residents of Hobart and especially the suburb of Glebe. I understand the keenness of many of us to get things moving but I do not see anything on the horizon that would motivate the construction of greenfields sites in either Lonnie or Hobart because there are no justifiable fiscal figures or consistent proven attendances to date of the world code in Tassie. We need to perform in the A League for two or three years to gain this attention. I am not saying it won’t happen because I am a believer myself but it is too early just yet. Damn where is that sheik? galacticaposted at 12:01PM on 26th Mar, 2009 Part 2 The railyards site is a no brainer, sorry ntguy but the people have already spoken on this and they want the area for shipping mainly and frankly I think that is best for Hobart’s long term future. For the same reasons as the hospital proposal is disliked, including reparation of contamination, etc. As for light rail, well we should wait for the transport infrastructure summit on greater Hobart's requirements coming up during the next 30days because a proper reassessment and redirection in this matter should see a more central operation to attract light rail patronage. Passengers want such a system to move closer through the North Hobart locality to avail a better park/ride setup, which means getting away from the current waterfront side of the domain. The need is to bring passengers out of the hillside suburbs to park/ride or bus to several rail stations from the city to Claremont and probably via the Bowen Bridge on down to the airport. galacticaposted at 12:02PM on 26th Mar, 2009 Part 3 This opens the way for two main options - a light rail station at NHO therefore reducing the need for large areas of carpark space, alternatively a future greenfields site at Cambridge right next to the extended light rail line. Not a bad prospect but I cannot see this being under consideration until approx. 2015 as a minimum timeframe after we have had a period within the A League so that does not leave much room for development (given the pace that RPDC type projects proceed in Tassie). I would say that the most promising is the NHO option and whilst it currently does not suffice world cup standards for FIFA there is no justifiable reason why it cannot be prepared sufficiently to satisfy A League for the FFA. Furthermore the realignment of greater Hobart transport options will see that NHO becomes part of the equation brought up in discussion by the RACT in this summit as a possible justification factor in having a central Hobart city bypass expressway from the southern outlet skirting the foothills and down to Burnett Street connecting to the Brooker Hwy.
galacticaposted at 12:03PM on 26th Mar, 2009 Part 4 These developments foresee Hobart transport up to 2030 so until this transport conundrum is resolved NHO appears to suffice and that is where we should be putting our planning proposals for southern A League FFA upgrading as the interim choice; with the future parking problem overcome by a decision to create a rectangular stadium. Yes we may be able to develop a Cambridge greenfields site, which seems promising but it would require a comprehensive forward plan by TUFC, Clarence City Council, Tas Govt, Fed Govt, and FFA giving full support in about 2015/16 to enable construction to be completed. For NHO site enhancement to suit FIFA swap Clarence and Hobart councils. It is now qtr way thru 2009, we are waiting on our sheik from Dubai and we haven’t even got a license to franchise yet – so we need to get an historical track record at existing venues before we go on to greenfields locations. galacticaposted at 12:04PM on 26th Mar, 2009 Part 5 For the present we can only expect York Park and Bellerive/NHO because no further RPDC style stadium developments will get the nod in Tassie from now on unless they fully integrate within overall planning systems and satisfy the facilitation of patrons transport expectations within any realizable budgets allocated by treasury. With an oncoming state election there is an outside possibility that commitments to take the south further down this track could eventuate which may lead to some of what I have mentioned but I do not believe we will see major works at stadiums to suit the world game for several years because of the fiscal constraints brought upon by the global crisis and as I have said we require a track record of performance that can be built upon.
ntguyposted at 1:35PM on 26th Mar, 2009 If a stadium development went to Cambridge I think you could forget getting any support for the team from the north of the state. It is too inaccessible. The Campainia road is just not acceptable for late night fast travel. It has to be somewhere along the main drag into town from the north. As far as North Hobart Oval is concerned it is OK for access from the north and upgrading that made it an all seater venue with covered seats close to and parallel with the side lines would bring it up to some standard but it would still be the worst A-League venue by a long way. If it is to be adopted as a temporary measure we need some sort of commitment from government to spend as much as they have on York Park on it during the term of the next government, provided of course we are accepted into the A-League. If we were looking for a 40,000 seat World Cup Venue, NHO would not be on the list for consideration even if it was serviced by Light Rail. It would need parking for 6,000 cars or transport equivalent of that for a start. Seeing that at least 30% of the crowd for a major event would in all probability come from the north or northwest of the state, on site parking would have to be provided for these.
ntguyposted at 1:36PM on 26th Mar, 2009
I am from Lonnie so I haven't kept too close an eye on public opinion about the rail yards. I am aware that the site does not have public support for a hospital. Any politician or bureaucrat worth his/her salt would never have suggested it as an option for the hospital in the first place, it just doesn't fit the bill. Sites like this all over the world are being reclaimed for the community. There are many examples of public buildings and sports facilities being located in disused infrastructure sites and these have been able to be developed along with landscaping to provide vibrant new public precincts. Has this sort of development been run past the public or are you assuming that it would be rejected by the public because the hospital has been rejected? Although you have suggested alternative routes for Light Rail, my design for the site integrates with the RAIA Tas Chapter suggestions that the existing railway land be used for Light Rail and nodes for urban renewal involving medium density housing be located at strategic points along the line. These nodes would also include parking facilities for drive and ride patrons.
ntguyposted at 1:37PM on 26th Mar, 2009
My proposal easily accommodates a functioning port, provides connection of light rail with a bus interchange, provides parking for up to 1,000 cars, provides a venue for football that can be used for large outdoor concerts, includes a national quality basketball stadium and can be developed in stages over the next 13 years culminating in a 40,000 seat World Cup stadium which reduces to about 28,000 after the removal of temporary seating. Although my proposal will never see the light of day because it is only a student project I believe that planning for a World Cup venue in Hobart must begin seriously otherwise Tasmania will be left out. I would hate to be the Premier who went to the people having agreed that Tasmania should be left off the map as far as the World Cup is concerned. ntguyposted at 10:01PM on 26th Mar, 2009 Just for information, FIFA picks the location of World Cup venues from the selection put forward in the successful country's bid. If you don't have a concrete proposal you don't get in the bid book so you can't be selected. The fact that York Park has been put forward is an absolute joke and the sooner the government gets cracking on a viable proposal the better. Tasmania cant afford to be left off the map. Chuqposted at 12:08PM on 26th Mar, 2009 One thing that has become pretty obvious in this discussion is that a stadium is not just about a building with seats and grass in the middle, but a public location and how it interacts with the local area. NHO is great due to it's location and proximity to NH restaurant strip. It is clear that the existence of the light rail line or other transport option will also affect it's viability (as mentioned, the existing rail line goes on the other side of the domain!) It makes it more disappointing that my stadium question to the pollies was re-directed by Graeme Sturges' (infrastructure minister) office to the sports & rec minister. Rutposted at 9:58PM on 26th Mar, 2009 The railyards sounds like a very good idea however there are several major problems that would need to be overcome. The first is that the site is toxic and the cost of cleaning the site is estimated to run into the $million. Secondly a 40+ capacity stadium (think telstra dome) will be at least 10 storeys High. One of the major constraints on the new new (now defunct) hospital is that it had to be 4 storeys or less so as the view from the cenotaph down the Derwent would remain unimpeded. The third major problem is the fact that a substatial amount of roadworks would need to be undertaken at a cost of several $million to allow traffic to flow. Finally a massive stadium on the waterfront would dwarf all other structures there and be totally out of Character with the place. Personally i see no reason why the TCA ground could not be developed as there is ample space, it it easy to get to, would be close to any future light rail service (ie 5 minute walk or shuttle bus and is essentiallu a greenfield site. Rutposted at 10:03PM on 26th Mar, 2009 Another option is to redevelop the Athletics centre. Whilst not ideal, a revamped athletics track may assist in getting the funding necessary to build such a stadium. It would be interesting how much $ the State Govt, despite the current economic climate, would be prepared to chip in given racing got over $30 million, York park over $15 million and bloody hockey $5 million so far for their stadiums/tracks. ntguyposted at 10:40PM on 26th Mar, 2009 Thanks for your comments Rut. I will take them on board. Every site has its pros and cons. If the site is toxic it is better for the environment in the long term to renovate the site than to leave it in its toxic state. Millions would need to be spent on tying any 40,000 seat stadium into existing road infrastructure. The long axis of my design is the line between the cenotaph and the port observation tower so the cenotaph is framed between the side stands from all viewpoints along the Sandy Bay side of the river. My stadium is at the city end of the site so views along the river and eastern shore are not restricted at all. The end stands are 14m high which fits the context of the site well. The side stands are taller than this but nowhere near as high as Docklands because it is a bowl design not and multi tier design. Buildings in the stadium precinct relate to the existing height of structures and step up to mediate between these structures and the taller stadium. I am still looking at options for the roof but I would like it to be an abstraction of sails if I can so it ties in with the maratime nature of the site. It is in no way a perfect design, just a students attempt and it is nowhere near finished but I will post an image of it on here when it is more developed. I would appreciate all the feedback I can get. Chuqposted at 12:56AM on 27th Mar, 2009 I like the Athletics Centre option. Also, somewhere here would be good... TC_CValeposted at 1:15AM on 27th Mar, 2009 The reason I mentioned Cambridge Park & Lauderdale was that if we had an investor that was going to help build a stadium in the future we would need a site that would receive the least amount of objections from opponents & where building could commence quickly. I thought that by putting idea's out there for discussion we could look at all the options available, but as usual with anything Tasmanian, everyone wants this stadium as close as possible to their own home so as they don't have to travel far to a venue or on a site that is better suited for other uses and will have opponents filing objection after objection and the approval process wont be met until after the World Cup 2022. My personal preference would be for the Domain as the outlook from the stadium would be impressive, but I think the general population of Hobart would say no. Travelling supporters also want to get to the venue and find their seat quickly and the same when leaving the venue, imagine travelling from Launceston to a game and having to get there 1 -2 hours before the game to find a park or walk to the venue, and another 1- 2 hours getting away, would make it a long day. Infastructure in the form of a 4 lane highway past the stadium is the best option for everyone. The white knight mentioned as a possible investor, his businesses include construction companies, so he would be ideally suited to start construction as soon as the planning approval is completed. Chuqposted at 1:37AM on 27th Mar, 2009 I don't think it is accurate to say people want them close to themselves. If that was the case, the Elwick Showgrounds would be my preferred venue, but I think that NHO, Domain, Railyards and Rugby Park are all preferable. (of course some of these have other issues that need to be overcome). My main issue with Cambridge is distance, not for me, but for the majority of the population. While football and TUFC are trying to draw new supporters, we need to be easily accessible. I have no doubt that Cambridge's situation will improve in the future, as the area from Cambridge to Lauderdale is a big growth area, but i don't think it is the right location for a stadium at the moment. The best equivalent I can think of is Stadium Australia at Homebush in Sydney. It's in the dead zone between the city and West Sydney. The area is a graveyard most of the time. We need more of a Sydney Football Stadium/Docklands Stadium type venue - close to the city. galacticaposted at 12:51PM on 27th Mar, 2009 Part 1 Well done chuq for mentioning Rugby Park in the equation. I agree with you on this matter and I do believe that in all probability this location would suffice currently and into the near future better than any other. A new complex could be built in stages and be ready well and truly by 2022. Also I would go so far as to say that as a new entity site it would be almost definitely far cheaper to construct and solve transportation ,etc logistics concurrent with its construction, than any redevelopment of NHO. The important thing is it would not be dependent on light rail services, although in any case it is within easy walking distance of the old New Town rail station site, plus there would be sufficient spaces for car and coach parking as is. galacticaposted at 12:52PM on 27th Mar, 2009 Part 1 Well done chuq for mentioning Rugby Park in the equation. I agree with you on this matter and I do believe that in all probability this location would suffice currently and into the near future better than any other. A new complex could be built in stages and be ready well and truly by 2022. Also I would go so far as to say that as a new entity site it would be almost definitely far cheaper to construct and solve transportation ,etc logistics concurrent with its construction, than any redevelopment of NHO. The important thing is it would not be dependent on light rail services, although in any case it is within easy walking distance of the old New Town rail station site, plus there would be sufficient spaces for car and coach parking as is. |
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posted at 11:02AM on 18th Mar, 2009
I outlined some benefits in a letter to Bartlett, O'Byrne and Sturges as details in this thread:
http://www.tasmaniaunited.com.au/forum/topic/view/46/
Unfortunately I have received nothing concrete back. Just "We have received your email" form letter replies.
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