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Hello In the past we have always known something was on the cards, either the survey or business plan, however for the first time we are in a situation where we have no knowledge of what is happening next or if anything is happening at all. Would it be possible for the board to let us know what the current goals/aspirations and plans are for the near future so we have something to consider and discuss. We all recognise that all the members of the board have their own lives as well and are busy and we all appreciate the hard work that the board has put it and the sacrifices they have made, however letting us know what is happening to some degree or what hte short term plans are will help us to feel that TUFC is a possibility at some stage. The problem with only hearing from the board once every few months or longer in some cases is that its easy to wonder if the board have moved on and put TUFC behind them. Obviously we dont want this to be the case. I would encourage admin and the board to find several young and energetic volunteers who can prepare articles on football in tasmania and about the clubs future and then post them on the board (after admin has checked them of course). I think this is really important to help encourage people to stay on this website because as it is I think there are less than twenty regulars here. Kind Regards Fox Add comments |
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galacticaposted at 5:54AM on 9th Aug, 2011 I tend to agree with you. FFT and the state govt are making funny little grunting noises reminiscent to premarital copulation yet there is absolutely nothing concrete. Absolutely the same old same old. A big problem is administration in everything in Tasmania though from govt depts to sports bodies and out into our fragmeted population. AFL supporters say they want a Tassie stand alone team - they are insufficient in numbers to create such happening in the foreseeable future and I mean 30plus years. In todays climate it costs $30million to run a budget team like NM and $40million to get a premiership(ask Jeff Kennett). These supporters are daydreaming and at 21,000 max per game which is not happening even now with the Haw Haw blood succkers supposed support, we would be looking to the state govt to prop such a team up to the tune of $10million PER YEAR! These nit wits need to get out of la la land reality TV shows and into the real world. galacticaposted at 6:07AM on 9th Aug, 2011 I will continue on with my rant because the way things stand at the moment there is no likely development in AFL flowing to grass roots for 5 years and their statewide system is a fraud devoid of history and lacking interest from individual club supporters. So where does this leave soccer? In the hands of the Tas Govt sports development behind the scenes mandarins who want to bring both soccer and AFL onto the same stadiums. I say that makes nonsense if these are going to have cricket in the summer - both grounds will need drop in cricket pitches and seating upgrades of up to $20million in total. Furthermore these stadia and the financing infrastructural support will not be in place at least until 2020 for an A League application to take place. Finally I will say this for the last time (in August this year) if we want to compete at a national level in soccer we need to be a budget operation that has appeal to its grassroots supporters. This means not distancing them but contacting them and keeping this contact going by having them involved. galacticaposted at 6:21AM on 9th Aug, 2011 Another factor we need to remember is that there are no professional teams operating out of our state in any sport. Because as a small and disributed population we struggle every year to keep the semi proffesional ones going. Look at basketball for instance and cricket only happens because the ACA do for it what the AFL does not do for OZ Rules in this state. Soccer needs to begin with a budget setup based at NHO in the summer, a paid coach an semi contracted players who can play in the national youth league and be reinforced with senior players once or twice a year for invitational matches against A League sides. One pre Xmas up north and one post Xmas down south. This should be controlled by TUFC and kept at a distance from FFT. It should operate for minimum 3 years until a statewide league can be successful whereupon it is reviewed to opearate up to 2020 for our push for an A League spot. A budget operation like this in a central city location can garner HCC, state and fed govt support for some improvements to NHO as part of the Hobart reviitalisation plan to encourage tourism and transport initiatives. To begin with there is minimal costs involved but at least we would be on the national scene and creating a youth based supporter momentum. galacticaposted at 6:27AM on 9th Aug, 2011 Personally I find it reprehensible of all parties involved in soccer over the last decade that they have failed to bring our game into the 21st century. There has been much talk and very little of anything else but dribble off the pitch. We cannot fault those who occasionally get to show their wares on the pitch but it is unfortunate that administrators do not have either the foresight or the ability to interconnect with the finances waiting for something to invest into. There are state, national and multi national resources but we seem unable to give them a packeaged product. I do not expect this to change in the short term at FFT. Foxhawkposted at 1:38AM on 10th Aug, 2011 You know I just spent ages writing a good reply to that and it didn't even post and now its gone. Really says it all I think. I probably wont come back now. Chuqposted at 7:11AM on 16th Aug, 2011 Hi foxhawk, I have met with members of the TUFC board in recent days, and one thing I will say is.. definitely don't go! They have recognised they need to form a stronger link between the group and the fans, and clearly the people who contribute to this forum are among the biggest fans! So please stick around, things will change :) galacticaposted at 7:55AM on 18th Aug, 2011 Bewdy tar Chuq. Hope you got that Foxhawk. Foxhawkposted at 6:46AM on 23rd Aug, 2011 I logged back in today to see if there was a way of closing my account and found the replies here. Chuq, I agree that the club really do need to engage the concept supporters and media more, and probably the clubs as well. The best way that the club can gain public support in large numbers is on the field. The best way to achieve this goal is to enter a quad in the local leagues. My thoughts; Set the target to enter a squad in the Southern Premier League for the 2012 competition, playing at North Hobart Oval. Make this a priority. Make an agreement with the FFT to play 20 - 30% of the home games at the NTCA ground in Launceston. In season two enter the squad in the Northern Premier League playing at the NTCA ground. Make an agreement with the FFT to play 40% of home matches against Launceston based sides at North Hobart Oval. During this period the board should do everything in their power to work with the FFT to establish a Tasmanian Statewide Premier League, with four Northern sides and four Southern sides and TUFC playing 50% of games at both cities utilising North Hobart Oval and the NTCA Ground. Foxhawkposted at 6:47AM on 23rd Aug, 2011 The Statewide League should be independent of the Northern and Southern Competitions which should be retitled the North or South First Divisions. The last place SPL side should be relegated to the Northern or Southern First League (depending on its location) and either replaced by the winner of a playoff between the Northern and Southern First Division winners, or if there is 3 clubs from the North and 5 from the South (or the other way around) then the Winner of the League from the location represented by the least sides should be promoted. TUFC should be free from the risk of relegation and if they ever came last there would simply be no relegation that year. In regards to the SPL; at all costs we should avoid having a simple Summer competition played by the best clubs from the North and South. Obviously there are a lot less clubs in the North. This could be countered by allowing clubs in the north to promote their reserve sides to the Northern First Division when they are promoted to the SPL until such a time as enough new clubs come into existence to remove this requirement (eg - new sides representing Deloraine, Latrobe, Kentish, George Town and Wynyard etc). Eventually the club should look at the next step. One possibility would be to find consortiums and clubs with similar ambitions and form a breakaway East Coast competition perhaps with eight to ten clubs. Here is an example; Foxhawkposted at 6:47AM on 23rd Aug, 2011 TUFC TPL side. Geelong Consortium. South Melbourne Consortium. South Coast Consortium. Western Sydney Consortium. Canberra Consortium. A revived North Queensland Fury Consortium. Two VPL clubs. Two NSW PL clubs. One QPL Club. This would give the FFA a real opportunity to put a measuring stick to these clubs over several years and could even become the foundation of an eventual second tier A-League Competition in thirty years. Either way, I will repeat my earlier statement; The best way that the club can gain public support in large numbers is on the field. tassihatterposted at 7:30AM on 24th Aug, 2011 And exactly where is the money coming from for this "on the field" venture ?? galacticaposted at 7:02AM on 26th Aug, 2011 Initially the money comes from nowhere because it is a realocation of clubs resource priorities as to where they play. As for financing that is a matter for a new league administration which should be accomplished without angst because costs are minimal considering that to begin with players are virtual amateurs. There are several clubs that could start out with assistance say from a sister club association with an A League or Vic Premier League team. Some clubs such as Olympia and South Hobart have a type of reciprocal arrangement now. Foxhawks ideas are worthy of pursuit because it gives TUFC a relevance between now and eventual admittance and it also develops our game state wide. This will not happen just by existing clubs forming one as there is a danger of watching a repeat of what happened with the last state league episode. Foxhawkposted at 12:16PM on 26th Aug, 2011 There is also the possibility that funding may already be available from some of the clubs current sponsors - those not yet announced. If the team plays in North Hobart Oval and NTSC then change facilities would also already be available, reducing costs. Another possible source of funding could be friendly matches as well. Perhaps a northern and a southern pre-season football carnival. Here is an example; 2012. Pre-Season Events. Friday - Melbourne Heart fly in. Saturday - Aurora Stadium. 12pm Melbourne Knights vs South Melbourne. 2pm TUFC vs Melbourne Heart. Tuesday - Melbourne Victory fly in. Wednesday - North Hobart Oval. 6pm Southern Premier League winner vs Northern Premier League winner. 8pm Melbourne Heart vs Melbourne Victory. Following Saturday - North Hobart Oval. 12pm Tasmanian Youth vs Victorian Youth. 2pm TUFC vs Melbourne Victory.
Foxhawkposted at 12:38PM on 26th Aug, 2011 Possibilities that the FFA would assist with arranging this regardless of the opinion of the FFT anyway. galacticaposted at 6:12AM on 30th Aug, 2011 I like your scenarios Foxhawk. I hope that the powers that be are taking note of these suggestions to break this deadlock we seem to be in where we are perpetually crawling along without any impetus for development. Yes there is razzamatazz such as the Victory/Kewell thing to attract the general population along in "special" events but there is no future for the local lads. Sport in Tassie is estimated to be worth $800milion to our state economy in turnover so why isnt the sport with the highest participation rate advancing faster on the statewide and national scene? Fingers do point unfortunately to administrators so c'mon if you are reading these suggestions that have been presented FREE OF CHARGE to you it really is time to act! Foxhawkposted at 1:43PM on 30th Aug, 2011 Of course once the club stepped up from the Statewide Premier League to whatever the next stage up was, be it an Eastern Coast league of consortiums or a Victorian Premier League birth or directly into the A-league, I would think it would be worthwhile if the club remembered it's roots by having two feeder clubs in the Statewide Premier League; one in the North of the state and one in the South. (The North based one would play a few North West Coast games as well to generate interest). These clubs would be the next step up for young players who did well in their respective sides and would work with the Tasmanian Institute of Sport. They would also be places that TUFC would trial it's youngsters when they were not in the National Youth Side.
galacticaposted at 9:30AM on 2nd Sep, 2011 I agree with the concept but it would be dependent upon what impact this may have upon these north and south leagues because it may very well fragment them with one powerful side in each and no gain for the others. My preference would be that all teams in a statewide league feed a Vic Premier or Eastern OZ league side from Tassie and this team as well as a Youth League team feeds our A League team. To me this would be the fastest way of securing a foothold. However it is dependent also upon a couple of stronger clubs who may well wish to apply on their own direct to the Vic league initially. If they do this then FFT should support them with the proviso that they will remain as feeder teams. This being the case we can keep the existing north and south leagues plus apply for a national youth team league side in the interim before obtaining an A League licence in say 2018-2020. Foxhawkposted at 3:03AM on 3rd Sep, 2011 I don't think it would be a powerful side though. It would probably be lower table in its first few years and even when a statewide premier league is established it will not be able to sign the best players from other clubs. It's objective would be to get on the field and grow public support - not win trophies. As time goes by that would change and the club would get stronger, however as that happened it would be time to consider moving the club to another league, not before. In the short term it just needs to get on the field. Another option would be to have 'twin' clubs, one in the north and one in the south with each playing under the TUFC banner (TUFC North, TUFC South); perhaps by utilising current clubs in a lease agreement - perhaps an upgrade to clubhouse equipment would be the only payment with no cash changing hands. (Afterall, they would just be changing identity for two or three seasons for marketing reasons). Foxhawkposted at 3:03AM on 3rd Sep, 2011 During this time the board would be focused on preparing the future statewide side to hit the field, playing at North Hobart Oval and a similar quality facility in Launceston. Once a statewide league was established, the new TUFC club may then be ready to hit the field and the lease agreement for the other two clubs could end, with both clubs remaining the main north and south affiliates of TUFC. As before - when the side became stronger you could look at relocating to a stronger league, or, perhaps forming a Summer League with other strong clubs in Queensland, New South Wales and Victoria and maybe other consortiums that may have followed the TUFC model of operations. galacticaposted at 5:38AM on 6th Sep, 2011 Yes you are right the most important thing is to get a side on the park. Furthermore it is vital that they play their games at designated venues only so that the general public overall are enticed to come along to grounds that have reasonable facilities. This way those who do not necessarily follow a local suburban club side will be encouraged to continue turning up. Cost wise the NTCA ground and NHO are as you say what we should be using - at the very least for the foreseeable future up to 2020. By then we will have a more definitive idea as to what is going on with the BO/TCA and HCC/AFL Tasmania ground rationalisations/utilisations in Hobart specifically. There may not necessarily be a problem in the future with BO or York Park but until we are in the A League they surely cannot be cost effective for a newly created club. This way both the supporter and the TUFC can control their own destiny as far as the best outcome for creating facilities and playing bases to develop a club heritage. galacticaposted at 5:55AM on 6th Sep, 2011 I find it extremely frustrating to watch the snail pace as is occurring. To date all we have to look forward to is a pre-season friendly with Melb Victory and whoever, each year at YP; maybe a friendly between a state select team and whoever, who knows where and in what year; and perhaps a youth select against someone, who knows when? This is a snail trail and totally unsatisfactory to state talent generation and achievement. There are possibly 4 or 5 clubs which have an internal interest in fostering intra club friendlies with A League and Vic Premier League clubs and maybe entering direct into the Vic competition and if they do this it will throw a complete spanner in the works because they may actually garner public support that will be needed by the TUFC. Certainly any local side that does enter this comp will get my following also and if the media gets on board the whole thing will steamroll because FFT seems to be a divisive and stagnant operation despite intermittent "announcements". 119gloryposted at 3:22PM on 6th Sep, 2011 I'm from Sydney, and I really really want to move to tassie but it's a huge turn off that there aren't any good football teams to support! Or decent stadiums... Such a shame, cause I could totally see it happening that because AFL has ignored Tassie, football could come in and win all the fans similar to the Central Coast Mariners! Foxhawkposted at 11:39PM on 6th Sep, 2011 We could have had a rectangular stadia, but Wilkie wanted Pokie reforms instead. I have spoken to the CEO of a major club up north and he said that the proposed reforms, that Labor are delaying as much as possible, would close pubs and clubs across the nation. Therefore - they will not happen. End of. And probably it will result in Wilkie being the End of the current government. Such a shame he was too big for his boots and forgot that he only represents Denison and not all of Australia and refused the billion in infrastructure upgrades. Now Denison won't get a thing and he will be off looking for a new electorate to pillage since the people who voted for him all hate him for turning his back on them. Sorry to get political - but the reality is we could have a stadium going up now along with infrastructure upgrades across the city along with all the jobs that would create. But nope! 119gloryposted at 1:35PM on 7th Sep, 2011 Hahahaha very very political! What sort of participation and following does football have down there? sorry if i'm banging on an old drum and you're sick of talking about it, but i have no idea and it's a hard thing to research :P galacticaposted at 5:11AM on 9th Sep, 2011 There is a northern and a southern premier league. It is debatable but the current top clubs are probably South Hobart, Hobart Zebras, New Town White Eagles, Clarence United, Devonport City, Burnie United, Northern Rangers, Launceston City. Also Hobart Olympia, Glenorchy Knights, Taroona and Metro Claremont have good club structures and following. South Hobart is one of the oldest continuing clubs in Australia and is now in its 101st year and has in the most recent decade been enjoying a return to its glory days with much success statewide and many trophies. Of all the teams in Tassie they may well have the best internal development setup that would enable them to enter the Vic Premier League or perhaps a construed new south eastern league with teams from SA, Vic, NSW, ACT, Tas as a second tier to the A League. Foxhawkposted at 9:16AM on 9th Sep, 2011 Technically both premier leagues are one step below the A-League, though in reality they fall far below other interstate premier leagues. When they have the statewide premier back up and running they may drop a rung lower, however no oubt dodgy FFT will just have the statewide premier as a Summer cup comp for the top four sides of the north and south - which is stupid. |
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posted at 2:23AM on 8th Aug, 2011
I am now pretty sure this will not happen.
The reality is FFT don't want it unless they run it.
The current government doesn't want it.
The state opposition might say all the right things but put them in office and suddenly all the Fairyland Tas AFL Team pressure and budget constraints will be on their shoudlers as well.
In fact I wonder if this website is now 'abandoned' and just something that the four or five regulars look at once in a while.
How typically Tasmanian for us to be unable to get a club up and running because our own football association wants to bury it for political reasons.
Perhaps its time for the FFA to abolish FFT entirerly and have their own fly in/fly out team of three or four administrators for a few years.
As it is I find it doubtful now that Tas will ever have its own team before 2050 unless someone comes in and sets it up.
If so then I hope they are not Tasmanian as we are all just too parachial.
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