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| galactica | Date posted | Replies |
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Given that the AFL push for BO is pretty rampant at the moment what does this mean for our side in the A League. Not only does the Sheffield Shield cricket team need BO in the summer months but there are the one dayers and 20/20 matches. It seems like a pretty congested programme especially when the AFL side that links up with BO will probably want to utilise the ground for pre-season and other promotional exercises including off season events to maximise the input/return. I would like to think that some of the one dayers and 20/20 games can go north of course but even so the situation is nowhere near ideal. Add comments |
7th Sept. 2010 | 16 |
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galacticaposted at 9:25AM on 22nd Jul, 2010 Yes it is a bit of a conundrum at the moment. however ther is no way NHO is too small. We are always going to be hangers-on and fill in the program gaps at BO. At NHO we have an opportunity to build on an existing situation that can already hold 25,000 people jam packed of course ( I know because I was one of them). What is neede at NHO is HCC direction as to ground rationalisation in greater Hobart so we can see a development of further infrastructure that enhances our needs and other users. There is not a lot to do to get facilities up to scratch initially - certainly not as much as will be required at BO for AFL over the next 5yrs. CCC, AFL, ACB, TCC, FFA, FFT, state govt & fed govt will be spending $5-10million which is fine for what will eventuate but HCC, AFL, FFA, FFT, state & fed govt can bring NHO up to A League for max. $5million and definitely have everything operating satisfactorily initially for $one million. To me this provides a much better long term user benefit with options that far outweigh BO for our own independent operation. galacticaposted at 9:38AM on 22nd Jul, 2010 What is really needed is negotiations with FFT, FFA, HCC and NHFC (local AFL team) to ensure that all future invitation matches are played in the south at NHO. Once this has been done there is a base to build upon and a case can be developed to present to the state & fed govts for what we need within a strategic plan time frame. I suppose they are testing the water a bit this time with the CCM to find out the southern support and I know that Sunderland did play a Tassie rep team at KGV Grove Road on their world trip after winning the FA Cup decades ago but the ground is never going to be more than a suburban comp ground. This is especially so given the rationalisation of grounds that must take place with AFL size ovals. Foxhawkposted at 5:46AM on 23rd Jul, 2010 While there are benefits to all these areas, my prefered option is to have those matches in Hobart eventually played at a custom rectangular stadium as close to the city as possible. Should we obtain a wealthy owner who wants to utilise the club as a tool for marketing their brand through Asia then it this could be a possibility. Being close to the city is also a possibility as there are numerous areas where a stadium could be build resting alongside or built into the side of a hill. As I mentioned before - there is even a club in Germany built into an old quary with stands only on the sides (the nets literally sit in front of rock walls).
galacticaposted at 10:24AM on 23rd Jul, 2010 Yes I understand your ideas. What I am talking about IMHO is the reality as is and probably will be as forseable. I mean we may not even see us at BO going on the parochial undertones now creeping into the AFL debate with a team playing there. I can see the two headed moron rising up out of the morass at the momet with that lot. I feel sure we can do better with our games if the powers that be accept our financial viability. Chuqposted at 3:03AM on 26th Jul, 2010 I noticed this article from the Examiner, quoting John McGirr saying that AFL at BO would have a negative impact on TUFC's chances of playing there. http://www.examiner.com.au/news/local/sport/general/soccer39s-free-kick/1894934.aspx?src=rss Foxhawkposted at 4:19AM on 26th Jul, 2010 I think if BO ever became off limits then it would simply result in a redevelopment of either NHO or Rugby Park. TBH Rugby Park would not be a bad prospect as it gets the AFL out of the picture completely where as any redevelopment of NHO will involve Aussie rules to some degree galacticaposted at 8:03AM on 26th Jul, 2010 It is understandable that TUFC would say that about AFL at BO. The politics of it all come into play with the state government. However it is not the best scenario and whilst Aussie Rules footy would still have to be shared at NHO we would have the summer A League season to ourselves there whilst there is a summer of cricket at BO every year. The beauty of the NHO option is that it gives us a back door option to obtain our own stadium because the ground will probably be vacated over time by local AFL ground rationalizations. I would think that with some minor alterations to begin with NHO could not really be a dearer rental situation than BO unless BO is given subsidization by other sources. Foxhawkposted at 10:36AM on 26th Jul, 2010 NHO Would be the prime location should other tenants relocate. Current stadia facilities could be utilised while a new stadium was built. A new stadia built over ten years slowly replacing the existing facilities would be quite possible and certainly not too big a project for pollies to commit too. (Plus it would create jobs). A stadium built along the lines of PPL Park, though not as wide, should be the overall target. The beauty of a ten year construction project is that it gives the State Government the option to revisit the site a decade after completion and look into expansion. Rugby Park might be a better option though. Larger area if the state government acquires a small bit of land around it. Plus could also obtain support from the nrl. A Hawthorne style agreement between the state government and Melbourne Storm would bring tourist dollars into the state which in turn would boost the economy. galacticaposted at 8:31AM on 25th Aug, 2010 Well it appears that the door is gradually prising open. AFL Tasmania have now stated that NHO is no longer suitable for elite and senior level Oz rules. In future no finals will be allocated to the ground due to its undersize. With only amatuer club games and it being used as a training venue for the current TSL Oz Rules tenant there is now an opportunity for other parties to look more closely at the venue. Certainly it means that TUFC could eventually find itself based at the stadium with the government having already promised upgraded lighting also. I would say that this should now be installed as soccer style floodlighting on the numerous grandstand roof edges as is done in many other places overseas and it would also allay much of the nearby resident impact fears. If sufficient interest can be garnered from the HCC then I am sure funding can be found to upgrade seating, etc to FFA standards. We should remember that this is not multi million finances that is required here because the ground already has a capacity minimum 18,000. Foxhawkposted at 11:26PM on 25th Aug, 2010 Will be interesting to see if they pull out completely. Could a Perth Oval style makeover be possible?
galacticaposted at 9:03AM on 26th Aug, 2010 Well there are certainly options for a small scale version over the next decade. The Oz Rules infighting will resolve itself after they smack each other around for a while in some sort of power play. I hope the washup means they see sense and accept encouragement to rationalise their grounds which opens up many possibilities for future infrastructure alterations at a number of grounds coupled with other flow on benefits for other sports and in fill housing. So long as a general master plan can be developed to the whole thing then the corporate and financial sectors can come into play. Who know where it all may lead maybe even a shot at the Commonwealth Games in Tassie. From small acorns big trees grow. Foxhawkposted at 6:06AM on 4th Sep, 2010 Across the river from Aurora Stadium on the farm land would be a great place for a rentangular stadium. galacticaposted at 10:23AM on 6th Sep, 2010 Farmland should be used for growing food. Stadiums should always be located in commercial districts. Mistakes have happened in the past by short sighted councils allowing in fill housing to develop right up to the boundary of factories and sports grounds with inevitable consequences as the new arrivals want to dictate about their surrounds. Put a cricket pitch inside YP and redevelop the NTCA ground. Foxhawkposted at 2:08AM on 7th Sep, 2010 Have a look at a map. The site I mentioned is a few hundred metres beyond the ntca ground but offers room to build from scratch a rectangular stadium with car parking, several practice fields, training facilities and no requirement to deal with football clubs and cricket clubs who may not want to relocate. If the owner was offered a good enough deal then they would probably relocate quicker than any sporting froup would. galacticaposted at 12:31PM on 7th Sep, 2010 Okay okay keep your shirt on. But is it farmland or not? The point I am making is we simply cannot keep building new infrastructure until our population grows we are not Taiwan we are Tasmania. As I said before I like your conceptual idea but I think we could rationalise YP and the NTCA ground. YP for AFL, TSL and cricket; NTCA ground with a new name reconfigured into rectangular and infrastructure improvements to cater for Rugby (including eventually representative and invitational matches in the Winter and A League, Tasmanian State League soccer in the Summer. Stae League soccer will have to move to summer time slot if we go into the A League otherwise we will need to have a northern a southern team in the Vic league or some other type of concoction to create a feeder pathway and selection process topping up the TUFC squad. I believe we should be seeing the same scenario with grounds in the south to get the best out of everything over the next couple of decades. One thing this does is spread the games and sports around rather than centralising in anegative and parochial way with our smaller population until our supporter bases grow. |
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posted at 8:46AM on 21st Jul, 2010
This is a good topic that causes much debate. We have ground such as KGV but that is far too small for an a-league game and I would probably have to say the same thing for North Hobart Oval. Besides Aurora Park in Launceston I can’t really think of many stadiums that would fit the requirements for the a-league. We may not draw big crowds but we still can’t be playing in stadiums such as KGV. BO would be a good ground to play at if it was ever free! I think that we would be able to juggle home games between BO and Aurora Stadium.
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