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Great to see the bid moving along. Best to cross all eyes and dot all tees as they say. :) Add comments |
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galacticaposted at 8:05AM on 5th Jan, 2010 Obviously I mean men's not means team - I wont blame the spellcheck even though I did the necessary edit, because it is American and I hope to get my revenge when the Socceroos perhaps take 'em on during the World Cup. Chuqposted at 10:41PM on 5th Jan, 2010 There was a news report about this on WIN News last night, I've captured it and will upload to youtube tonight when I get home! Basically what we know already, as well as David Bartlett and Nick McKim both stating they were supportive of the bid (I believe Will Hodgman is also supportive but that wasn't in the clip) A bit of stock footage of the "support the bid" from the A-League pre-season match as well! galacticaposted at 10:20AM on 14th Jan, 2010 Well I hope that the survey is sufficent to provide responses that reflect public desires and is indicitive of expectations rather than simply illiciting "yes" and "no" responses. These type of responses usually conceal needs or simplify desires without addressing the reality of connecting issues and opinions. Also I hope that the survey is broad enough in its coverage to the Tasmanian public so that the majority of S and N-NW citizens have the opportunity to respond. tassihatterposted at 10:42PM on 24th Jan, 2010 Good to get an interim update Admin ! Lets hope the results prove positive, and the "eyes" have it. Loking forward to a good football year . galacticaposted at 10:50AM on 25th Jan, 2010 Well I hope they are not expecting the Muckery newspaper to give much assistance because they keep beating the drum about AFL - a $40million dollar operation year after year. Well might they say that we have comparative populations but ours is spread over at least 50-100 times the area of western Sydney. Anyway the long and the short of it is that with adept promotion we can sustain an A League side on a competitive basis for many dollars less. Furthermore we can gain publicity for our state worldwide whilst the other mob would be pushing uphill to get such benefits for us unless they provide supportive assistance over at least twenty years or more and even then there is a danger that once left on their own an AFL side could easily self destruct. Have a look at the history of that game in our state and you will see the parochialism that still exists today. Anyway the Tasmania United concept can be a unifying force so long as those who care passionately about the idea are not left in the dark. I haven't seen a thing and am wondering where this survey is being directed because surely one would notice something? galacticaposted at 9:31AM on 29th Jan, 2010 Hmmm still waiting. As a side note it was interesting to see the Hobart Muckery the other day put their spotrs index on the back page and list a number of article sites including Underwater Hockey but no Soccer and yet there were segments inside on the EPL and local pre-season matches which took up at least half a page. Typical of this newspaper support and understanding of world sports. ntguyposted at 11:22PM on 29th Jan, 2010 The latest news on here did say that the survey was completed and that final results would be available in February so you will just have to wait a little longer Galactica. galacticaposted at 9:24AM on 30th Jan, 2010 I thought it says initial results are promising. However what intrigues me is where and who are they surveying because I have seen no evidence of there presence. I dont care whether I am surveyed I am just wondering as to where they are? Australian Antarctic Territory? ntguyposted at 11:54PM on 30th Jan, 2010 It says the survey has been completed. What EMRS are now doing is processing the data. They don't need a very big sample to be pretty accurate. galacticaposted at 8:39AM on 1st Feb, 2010 According to the home of tis TUFC site it says ; Initial Survey Results In!The results of the public sentiment survey are in and believed to be extremely positive
Tasmania United FC officials are extremely encouraged by the initial results of the 'Public Sentiment' survey towards the A-League bid. The survey has been completed and the findings are due to be released shortly, with the feedback looking very positive. It had been designed to assess the awareness of, and support for, the bid to see a Tasmanian football team join the national A-League competition. Results should help to prove the viability of the concept, and it is hoped to attract further interest in the bid from public, corporate and government sectors. This website will publish results from the survey when they are released early in February.
I understand all and I have surveyed 5 people who indicated 3 were supportive 1 was uncommitted and 1 disinterested. Does that mean 60% Tasmanians fully back the proposal and 40% is a future market potential? That is why I asked the question. However I will wait and see the findings from EMRS because figures and statistics can be manipulated in many ways including by the questions asked. ntguyposted at 10:09PM on 1st Feb, 2010 Yup. First line paragraph 3. "The survey has been completed".
To achieve a Confidence Level of 95% with a Confidence interval of 3% they only needed a sample size of 1,065. galacticaposted at 11:56AM on 2nd Feb, 2010 Well bless my soul "Exactamont". I rest my case. So I remain projagulent until the truth surfaces. ntguyposted at 12:12PM on 2nd Feb, 2010 Gotta keep the forum moving along somehow. :) Chuqposted at 6:33AM on 3rd Feb, 2010 Great to see the results on the front page and a couple of media pieces (so far): http://walterplessonsoccer.blogspot.com/2010/02/tasmanian-league-taskforce-releases.html ntguyposted at 6:40AM on 3rd Feb, 2010 Thanks for the update Admin and Team. That results look great. ntguyposted at 5:48AM on 4th Feb, 2010 Thanks for keeping us updated again. It is good to see the results interpreted by the Consultants. galacticaposted at 10:55AM on 4th Feb, 2010 Yes the extrapolated statistics are indeed very promising so now for the real business end of the bid. I don’t want to put the mockers on things but how do they think the public will keep attending to watch matches at AFL size grounds. I don’t reckon the survey respondents are aware of the inadequacies of the two grounds. Facilities are fine but not much good if you need binoculars to watch the match. I dunno what the gate prices will be but crowds will dwindle if they don’t think it is worth watching from too far away. I understand that the state govt. has committed an amount which they expect the HCC to match for lighting at NHO - this therefore to me is the first step towards having the games played there especially since summer at BO is devoted to cricket. Obviously upgraded seating and changerooms will need to follow before the ground will satisfy but we are unlikely to come into the A League until 2012 so there is time enough. I'm sorry but YP and BO just don’t click for me and I reckon as time goes by and the novelty wears off attendances could drop to max 3-4,000 because of lack of games atmosphere.
Chuqposted at 11:20AM on 4th Feb, 2010 TV news stories:
Win TV - 5 Jan 2010 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-9-vtmhy6g Southern Cross - 3 Feb 2010 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYOyN2Ch8mE galacticaposted at 9:32AM on 5th Feb, 2010 Yes I concur the coverage is good and about time too from the recalcitrant media given the persistence of the consortium and the profile of the game in OZ and overseas. My proviso stands though - that the games can only be temporary at BO for a variety of reasons. I think we are stuck with YP for the longer term but at least the sidelines are viewable situations even if somewhat removed; not so at BO it seems. It is so disappointing that whatever happens in Tassie sport always appears to be short changing the spectator who drives the fiscal reason for it ntguyposted at 12:11AM on 6th Feb, 2010 It has taken 5 seasons for Victory to move from a large format oval to a rectangular pitch and Phoenix don't ever intend to so although it is not ideal it is not a matter of great urgency. Gives time to properly investigate where a permanent base should be. With 1200 lux the minimum requirement for lighting there are not many places where this will be acceptable to the locals and when you take into account the fact that broadcast requirements are moving towards 2000 lux this is even more the case. Ant permanent home must meet the AFC's stadium requirements so that ACL participation is a possibility. It would be tragic to eventually qualify for the ACL only to have to play our home games back at Bellerive. galacticaposted at 9:10AM on 9th Feb, 2010 I agree with you. Let us hope that people such as Greg Barns article in the Hobart Muckery do not muddy the waters any further. He has suggested a 30,000 seat stadium at the Heritage Oval former TCA ground on the Queens Domain. Any 30,000 seat stadium is welcome however to put it at this place simply defeats the purpose of the reason why the ground retains and is admired for its suburban and historic quaintness. Barking up the wrong tree me thinks. Hopefully a proper development plan for NHO will satisfy the sensitivities of nearby residents and cater for sufficient lighting lux factor, upgraded changerooms,etc where required, with seating improvements later. Down the track 5years we get the current tenants to join their cricketing namesakes up at the Heritage Oval and bingo we have the foundations for a ready made World cup venue to develop by 2018 (more likely 2022). A win/win deal for all because if they take their beloved old Ryde St stand up there with them it will add to their relocated ambience whilst opening up NHO(Tassie Stadium?) to cater for all our A League needs in the south. TC_CValeposted at 12:58PM on 9th Feb, 2010 I am sorry to disagree but the TCA ground on the domain would be perfect for TUFC. You can forget about NHFC moving away from NHO, that will never happen. The football club and the North Hobart residents will not allow that to happen. Spend $15 - $20 million on existing infa-structure, get it up to Asian Cup standard and the TCA will be tone he most picturesque grounds in the world, the venue can be a multi sport, hold concerts with noise and parking impact on residents minimal. The view would be amazing, If it could be upgraded to seat 20,000, and then when we fill this week after week, which we will have to do most weeks if we want a stadium that meets World Cup standard ever to be built in Tasmania. An upgraded TCA would be an ideal venue for Asian Cup & World Cup qualifiers against the lower ranked teams that will not get good attendances in the major cities ie the game in Canberra recently. The Socceroo's playing anybody in Tassie would be a sell out very early. First things first, lets get our club up and going, then we pack out Bellerive & York Park & see what the future holds. galacticaposted at 12:45PM on 12th Feb, 2010 Sokay. Thought I'd get a bite from you. Yeah a lot to happen yet as you say. I stand by my ideas though because Oz rules footy grounds will be rationalised within this period. Also the NHO has been where it is longer than the recalcitrants around it who will need reminding of bitumen roads, street lamps, their own vehicles, defecating pets, local morons, etc, etc. impacting on the ambience. I have been watching events at NHO for 55years ranging from footy, soccer, rugby, hockey, athletics, concerts, gymkhanas, military tattoos, Billy Graham crusade, exhibitions, etc and there is no other venue in Hobart or the rest of the state for that matter with the same atmosphere for spectators. As a natural amphitheatre it will be able to satisfy local needs with sensitive light placements for twilight games and it offers an upgrading of probably max. $15million to satisfy Asian Cup standards in a central location close to services. The idea G Barns about people walking up Davies Ave to the Heritage Oval is quaint but much like people using push bikes to do their shopping. TC_CValeposted at 5:37AM on 13th Feb, 2010 Nth Hobart Oval as you say does have the best atmosphere for a venue and I agree it would be a great venue, my only real disagreement in your post is that of Nth Hobart FC moving out, they will never move out, and they dont have to for TUFC to use the ground as a home ground. NHFC can use the ground in Winter we can use it in Summer, by sharing facilities costs could be halved, TUFC could possibly use the old AFL offices as their headquarters, this way when they go to the Govt & HCC for funding, they can put forward a case for a venue that will be used 12 months of the year. The TCA ground also has its merits and uses as has been reported in other articles such as Greg Barns. I think that the TCA is far enough away from residentiual areas that planning approval may be easier to obtain and we would then have a sporting area on the Domain that has AFL, Football & Cricket played at the TCA, across the road you have the Domain Tennis centre and two minutes away is the Domain Athletics Centre, with plenty of spare ground for any further expansions, such as a stadium capable of holding WC games. Personally I would be happy with either of these venue's being upgraded to Asian Cup standard, as long as we get something. galacticaposted at 11:30AM on 15th Feb, 2010 Part 1 I agree with your reasoning mostly as the use of NHO over the off season to OZ rules is paramount to obtain value and return on the infrastructure. Naturally yes I want our A League team playing there and if we are to upgrade the stadium then it will be essential for a co-tenant such as TUFC to be on board. As I said initially for an interim period though because our chances of redeveloping the old Heritage oval, virtually reconstructing it into a greenfields site are virtually nil. I estimate somewhere in the vicinity $30-40million minimum. Whereas by relocating the NHFC up there and HFC to Kingborough twin oval complex sometime in the next 5 years there is the opportunity to realign the NH stadium to suit international games of soccer and rugby. I also estimate that this could be done for $20-30million a considerable saving. I am estimating from my building & construction background experience in estimating quotes cost analysis. galacticaposted at 11:31AM on 15th Feb, 2010 Part 2 However I reckon that it is probably up to the citizens of greater Hobart and the residents of North Hobart to reconcile the best outcome especially if the extra savings is allocated to the local community such as conservation projects at St Marys Cathedral and Holy Trinity church. I look forward to developments in this whole matter over the next 2 years because we need to be in the A League in 2012. I certainly dont want some stupid Tassie AFL side sucking the state dry before we get up and running successfully. At this point in time we want Hawthorn to be the team as they can give value for money for a couple of decades yet. By 2050 there will be 300,000 living in greater Hobart and statistically speaking when such a figure is reached it is a known demographic fact that growth creates sufficiently from within that base figure so most concepts are feasible to be financially justifiable e.g. Commonwealth Games, etc. Foxhawkposted at 12:30PM on 15th Feb, 2010 I think we need to see where the funding is coming from before we become too keen on any particular venture. TUFC should manage themselves along the lines of Wolves in England who have a solid financial of maintaining no-debt. None of us want to see the club paying lots of funds into a stadium that is never used to capacity. I for one would be happy to put up with Bellerive and Aurora until something better comes about. Back to my original point - if we get a good owner who has an international brand he wants advertised internationally then we may well find some decent funding come out way. Personally I think in time we will have both a rectangular stadium in Hobart and Launceston hovever I think they will be multipurpose stadia along the lines of members equity with majority facilities on one side and minor stands around all other sides. I have done some research and found that there are numerous stadia that have been built bit by bit to around 15k capacity for relatively low cost. If we built such a facility in the north and south to the same design then in time they could be upgraded. (perhaps one complete stand at each site and temp stands on all other three sides in Hobart but one one other side in Launceston with all office and training facilities based in Hobart. galacticaposted at 8:02AM on 16th Feb, 2010 Absolutely. Debt free is the mainstay of continuity. Yes the financial investors ultimately will be responsible for choice of grounds. I too am prepared to accept YP & BO temporarily if there is a strategic plan known to supporters. YP can cope better for longer but BO has obvious limitations for seating and access with cricket during summer. Both have fine corporate facilities whilst NHO is only fair. So I watch with interest as to which way the pendulum will swing because BO has capacity max 17,000 (probably 5-10,000 suited to A League viewing) and NHO minimum 18-20,000 currently (virtually 100% able to view A League). Therefore servicing match staging debts may well already be more economically viable now at NHO given the probable costing setups at BO. As stated previously the current drawing board plans and ideas for NHO offer a viable upgrading without any initial interim period at BO. Thank you and bye for now. Foxhawkposted at 8:55AM on 16th Feb, 2010 I think if there is investment we may see the day where the club has to decide between a shared facility at NHO or a separate facilty. The only thing is where. Its not unknown to have facilities away from a city - isn't Bolton an example (its one club in that area of north england anyway). Personally I hope we get an investor who decides that its better to have an exclusive rectangular stadia around the Members Equity size in Hobart with York Park the midle-term temp facility in the north. I think the domain is the go. How would Wentworth park go for a future stadium area. I know everyone is divided between Cornelian Bay, NTC? and NHO, but could a stadium be placed sideways to the sea (complete with marina perhaps) at that point? IF so would there be room for parking? Could it be done in a way that would not put the entire neighbourhood on a war footing? |
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posted at 7:59AM on 5th Jan, 2010
True and I remain hopeful, that the sentiment will be indicative of general support within the broader community. There will be parochial AFL types as well as anti-sport types who are unable to grasp the conceptual benefits but in general all other persons will probably not be against the idea. Speaking for myself I know there are persons who want to see us in the A League and who will go and watch games locally and these are persons without any current connection to the world game. They know one or two EPL teams and the like so there is an opportunity to develop our team as an attraction. I feel confident that there are many who will be attracted to the idea of following the glamour of a team competing in the national elite competition. An example of how such excitement can be generated is the way cricket is embraced statewide in its various forms so I see the means followed by in no particular order, the youth and women’s teams in soccer as being a real impetus and unifying ideal for Tassie sport - for both competitors and supporters.
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